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.aligncenter{width:100%;}.kadence-column15198_459565-82 > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column15198_459565-82{position:relative;}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column15198_459565-82 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column15198_459565-82 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}<\/style>         <div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column15198_459565-82\">             <div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\">             <div class=\"autor_post wp-block-post-author-name\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amicsdelpais.com\/es\/author\/amicsdelpais\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"wp-block-post-author-name__link\">Amics del Pa\u00eds<\/a><\/div>             <div class=\"summary_post wp-block-post-excerpt\"><p class=\"wp-block-post-excerpt__excerpt\">\u201cExiste preocupaci\u00f3n sobre la calidad democr\u00e1tica porque, cuando esta se tambalea, aparece una angustiosa presencia autoritaria con el riesgo de convertirse en totalitarismo puro\u201d alert\u00f3 Miquel Roca Junyent, presidente de Amics del Pa\u00eds, durante la presentaci\u00f3n del debate \u201cLa qualitat democr\u00e0tica i deriva autorit\u00e0ria\u201d con Marc Carrillo L\u00f3pez, catedr\u00e1tico de Derecho Constitucional de la UPF;&hellip; <\/p><\/div>                            <p>De un tiempo a esta parte, los principales indicadores de la calidad democr\u00e1tica reflejan una tendencia a la baja en todo el mundo y Espa\u00f1a no es la excepci\u00f3n, tal y como explic\u00f3 <strong>Marc Carrillo<\/strong> durante su intervenci\u00f3n. Seg\u00fan datos de <em>The Economist<\/em>, <strong>s\u00f3lo el 8% de los ciudadanos del mundo vive en un sistema de democracia plena<\/strong> y el 45% de la poblaci\u00f3n vive en democracias &#8216;defectuosas&#8217;.<\/p>   <p><img src='https:\/\/www.amicsdelpais.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/public\/imgs\/1935_6d_bt_9_web.png' alt='Marc Carrillo, catedr\u00e0tic de Dret Constitucional a la UPF, al debat Amics del Pa\u00eds' width='861' height='483' \/><\/p>   <p>Esta deriva democr\u00e1tica queda patente, seg\u00fan el catedr\u00e1tico de la UPF, en <strong>la banalizaci\u00f3n de la democracia representativa<\/strong> a trav\u00e9s del <strong>populismo<\/strong> que se manifiesta tanto en el \u00e1mbito conservador como, tambi\u00e9n, en \u201cpartidos llamados progresistas y de izquierda\u201d. El populismo busca &#8216;hacer abstracciones del funcionamiento democr\u00e1tico para exigir soluciones inmediatas a problem\u00e1ticas sociales complejas&#8217; a trav\u00e9s de un l\u00edder escogido democr\u00e1ticamente que se erige como &#8216;el esp\u00edritu del pueblo&#8217;, explic\u00f3 el profesor Carrillo. Y esto comporta \u201cuna ruptura entre el principio democr\u00e1tico y el principio de legalidad, dando prevalencia al primero\u201d.<\/p>  <h2><span style='color: #008000;'><strong>El populismo busca realizar abstracciones del funcionamiento democr\u00e1tico para exigir soluciones inmediatas a problem\u00e1ticas sociales complejas a trav\u00e9s de un l\u00edder que se erige como el esp\u00edritu del pueblo<\/strong><\/span><\/h2>  <p>Asimismo, <strong>las instituciones quedan en un segundo plano y su degradaci\u00f3n es evidente<\/strong>. Un ejemplo de ello son las sesiones de control parlamentario en Espa\u00f1a, donde cada mi\u00e9rcoles se convierten en \u201cescenario para m\u00edtines pol\u00edticos\u201d. En este sentido, Carrillo lament\u00f3 que \u201cla oposici\u00f3n democr\u00e1tica [en Espa\u00f1a] hace esencialmente una funci\u00f3n <em>mitinesca<\/em>\u201d.<\/p>   <p>Tambi\u00e9n hizo menci\u00f3n de la \u201cobscenidad institucional\u201d que conlleva la no renovaci\u00f3n del Consejo General del Poder Judicial. &#8216;Resulta impactante el papel espurio de la oposici\u00f3n&#8217; en este asunto, ya que &#8216;invocar la independencia del Poder Judicial para bloquear su renovaci\u00f3n es incumplir la Constituci\u00f3n y la ley&#8217;, sentenci\u00f3 Carrillo.<\/p>   <p><img src='https:\/\/www.amicsdelpais.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/public\/imgs\/1936_vq_bt_11_web.png' alt='os\u00e9 Mar\u00eda Lassalle, consultor i professor universitari, al debat Amics del Pa\u00eds' width='861' height='483' \/><\/p>   <p>Siguiendo el hilo de la intervenci\u00f3n del catedr\u00e1tico de Derecho Constitucional, <strong>Jos\u00e9 Mar\u00eda Lassalle<\/strong> desarroll\u00f3 las causas que, a su juicio, han desembocado en un \u201c<strong>proceso de transici\u00f3n cr\u00edtica\u201d de las democracias liberales<\/strong>, ya que \u201clos fundamentos de racionalidad, que alimentaron los discursos de la Ilustraci\u00f3n, hace tiempo que se han erosionado\u201d.<\/p>  <h2><span style='color: #008000;'><strong>Los cimientos de racionalidad, que alimentaron los discursos de la Ilustraci\u00f3n, hace tiempo que se han erosionado<\/strong><\/span>\u00a0<\/h2>  <p>Por un lado, explic\u00f3, <strong>la crisis de seguridad de 2001<\/strong> gener\u00f3 &#8216;tensiones estructurales&#8217; en el conjunto de las democracias que abrieron grietas por donde se colaron \u201clos primeros discursos neoconservadores y de ruptura con el orden&#8217;. Con el estallido de la <strong>crisis econ\u00f3mica en 2008<\/strong>, que supuso un \u201cgolpe en el Estado del Bienestar\u201d y una p\u00e9rdida de status econ\u00f3mico y cultural por parte de las clases medias, la ruptura entre la ciudadan\u00eda y las estructuras democr\u00e1ticas se hizo evidente.<\/p>   <p>Por otra parte, la <strong>revoluci\u00f3n digital<\/strong> &#8216;ha alterado el valor econ\u00f3mico y profesional del trabajo humano&#8217; aumentando las desigualdades sociales. Es decir, el valor que aporta el trabajo en las econom\u00edas es cada vez inferior porque el incremento de la competitividad asociado al uso intensivo de la tecnolog\u00eda no comporta un aumento en las rentas de los trabajadores, sino todo lo contrario, desplaza al trabajador y al profesional. Adem\u00e1s, &#8216;<strong>las pol\u00edticas de redistribuci\u00f3n de la renta han sido minadas<\/strong>&#8216; debido a la resignificaci\u00f3n del capital y del trabajo, apunt\u00f3 el profesor Lassalle.<\/p>   <p><img src='https:\/\/www.amicsdelpais.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/public\/imgs\/1934_al_bt_6_web.png' alt='Marc Carrillo, Miquel Roca i Jos\u00e9 Mar\u00eda Lassalle al debat Amics del Pa\u00eds' width='861' height='483' \/><\/p>   <p>Todo esto se ha traducido en un descontento y una alienaci\u00f3n de las clases medias con las instituciones que las representan que se han dejado &#8216;seducir por <strong>discursos populistas de l\u00f3gica simplista&#8217; propiciados por las plataformas digitales<\/strong>. Adem\u00e1s, estas \u00faltimas son las que sustentan actualmente el poder, un poder &#8216;no regulado y no legalizado&#8217;. \u201cLas corporaciones tecnol\u00f3gicas son, a d\u00eda de hoy, las \u00fanicas que ganan dinero\u201d, afirm\u00f3 Jos\u00e9 Mar\u00eda Lassalle, \u201cbeneficios que a la vez no est\u00e1n sujetos ni a la legislaci\u00f3n <em>antitrust<\/em> de Estados Unidos ni a las pr\u00e1cticas anti colusorias del derecho comunitario\u201d.<\/p>  <h2><span style='color: #008000;'><strong>Las redes sociales no pueden estar al margen del control jurisdiccional<\/strong><\/span><\/h2>  <p>En este sentido, ambos ponentes coincidieron en <strong>la necesidad de regular las plataformas digitales<\/strong>. &#8216;Las redes sociales no pueden estar al margen del control jurisdiccional&#8217;, se\u00f1al\u00f3 Marc Carrillo, quien a\u00f1adi\u00f3 que &#8216;este es un reto para el estado democr\u00e1tico y para los juristas&#8217;. En la misma l\u00ednea, Jos\u00e9 Mar\u00eda Lassalle celebr\u00f3 la aprobaci\u00f3n del Reglamento de Servicios Digitales por parte de la Comisi\u00f3n Europea, de la Ley de Mercados Digitales, del Reglamento de Inteligencia Artificial, etc. &#8216;Hay un momento pol\u00edtico importante con <strong>Ursula von der Leyen<\/strong> en el que se entiende que la t\u00e9cnica no es neutra y es un poder en s\u00ed misma&#8217;, afirm\u00f3.<\/p>   <p>Durante el coloquio, tambi\u00e9n se discuti\u00f3 sobre <strong>el papel de la educaci\u00f3n<\/strong> para hacer frente a la <strong>posmodernidad<\/strong>, que ya no se basa en discursos y reflexiones conceptualizadas, sino que se centra en im\u00e1genes descontextualizadas de narratividad l\u00f3gica para, directamente, apelar a los sentimientos de las personas. A su vez, Marc Carrillo lament\u00f3 los bajos niveles de comprensi\u00f3n y oratoria, puesto que &#8216;la educaci\u00f3n es un elemento esencial en la democracia&#8217;. Y, en el mismo sentido se expres\u00f3 Lassalle, quien sentenci\u00f3 que \u201cel modelo educativo y universitario son absolutamente ineficientes\u201d porque no ofrecen herramientas para empoderar a la ciudadan\u00eda cr\u00edticamente ni para gestionar la complejidad del mundo actual.<\/p>  <h2><span style='color: #008000;'><strong>El modelo educativo y universitario son absolutamente ineficientes porque no ofrecen herramientas para empoderar a la ciudadan\u00eda cr\u00edticamente ni para gestionar la complejidad del mundo actual<\/strong><\/span>\u00a0<\/h2>  <p><img src='https:\/\/www.amicsdelpais.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/public\/imgs\/1933_sv_bt_4_web.png' alt='Miquel Roca i Junyent, president d' width='861' height='483' \/><\/p>   <p>Por \u00faltimo, <strong>Miquel Roca Junyent<\/strong> clausur\u00f3 el acto, que tuvo lugar en el Caixaf\u00f2rum Macaya el pasado 14 de febrero, afirmando que existen indicios evidentes de la \u201camenaza existente\u201d de un \u201cintento, consciente o no, de sustituci\u00f3n de los poderes democr\u00e1ticos y de sus instituciones por otros\u201d, y hay que seguir reflexionando sobre ellos.<\/p>   <p><iframe title='YouTube video player' src='https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/oleEx3h7Vi0' frameborder='0' width='560' height='315'><\/iframe><\/p>                                          <style>.kb-row-layout-id22850_b19245-db > .kt-row-column-wrap{align-content:start;}:where(.kb-row-layout-id22850_b19245-db > .kt-row-column-wrap) > .wp-block-kadence-column{justify-content:start;}.kb-row-layout-id22850_b19245-db > .kt-row-column-wrap{column-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-md, 2rem);row-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-md, 2rem);padding-top:24px;padding-bottom:0px;grid-template-columns:minmax(0, 1fr);}.kb-row-layout-id22850_b19245-db{background-color:#fecc8c;background-image:url('https:\/\/www.amicsdelpais.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/bg_newsletter_01.svg');background-size:auto;background-position:100% 0%;background-attachment:scroll;background-repeat:repeat-y;}.kb-row-layout-id22850_b19245-db > .kt-row-layout-overlay{opacity:0.30;}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kb-row-layout-id22850_b19245-db > .kt-row-column-wrap{grid-template-columns:minmax(0, 1fr);}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kb-row-layout-id22850_b19245-db > .kt-row-column-wrap{grid-template-columns:minmax(0, 1fr);}}<\/style><div class=\"kb-row-layout-wrap kb-row-layout-id22850_b19245-db alignnone kt-row-has-bg block_newsletter wp-block-kadence-rowlayout\"><div class=\"kt-row-column-wrap kt-has-1-columns kt-row-layout-equal kt-tab-layout-inherit kt-mobile-layout-row kt-row-valign-top\">\n<style>.kadence-column22850_a01aca-24 > .kt-inside-inner-col{padding-bottom:0px;}.kadence-column22850_a01aca-24 > .kt-inside-inner-col,.kadence-column22850_a01aca-24 > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{border-top-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;}.kadence-column22850_a01aca-24 > .kt-inside-inner-col{column-gap:var(--global-kb-gap-sm, 1rem);}.kadence-column22850_a01aca-24 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;}.kadence-column22850_a01aca-24 > .kt-inside-inner-col > .aligncenter{width:100%;}.kadence-column22850_a01aca-24 > .kt-inside-inner-col:before{opacity:0.3;}.kadence-column22850_a01aca-24{position:relative;}@media all and (max-width: 1024px){.kadence-column22850_a01aca-24 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}@media all and (max-width: 767px){.kadence-column22850_a01aca-24 > .kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}<\/style>\n<div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column22850_a01aca-24\"><div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Suscr\u00edbete al newsletter<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Suscr\u00edbete al <strong>Newsletter de Amics del Pa\u00eds<\/strong> para estar al d\u00eda de todo lo que hacemos. 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