{"id":22499,"date":"2022-10-19T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2022-10-18T22:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/new.barcelonatribuna.com\/debate_amics_del_pais_con_jaume_padros_y_guillem_lopez_casasnovas\/"},"modified":"2025-09-29T10:05:03","modified_gmt":"2025-09-29T08:05:03","slug":"debate_amics_del_pais_con_jaume_padros_y_guillem_lopez_casasnovas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.amicsdelpais.com\/es\/debate_amics_del_pais_con_jaume_padros_y_guillem_lopez_casasnovas\/","title":{"rendered":"Debate Amics del Pa\u00eds con Jaume Padr\u00f3s y Guillem L\u00f3pez Casasnovas"},"content":{"rendered":"         <p class=\"link_ariadna\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amicsdelpais.com\/es\/publicaciones\">Publicaciones<\/a><\/p>                   <h1 class=\"wp-block-post-title\">Debate Amics del Pa\u00eds con Jaume Padr\u00f3s y Guillem L\u00f3pez Casasnovas<\/h1>          <style>.kb-row-layout-id15198_fd4370-d2 > 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.kt-inside-inner-col{flex-direction:column;justify-content:center;}}<\/style>         <div class=\"wp-block-kadence-column kadence-column15198_459565-82\">             <div class=\"kt-inside-inner-col\">             <div class=\"autor_post wp-block-post-author-name\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amicsdelpais.com\/es\/author\/amicsdelpais\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"wp-block-post-author-name__link\">Amics del Pa\u00eds<\/a><\/div>             <div class=\"summary_post wp-block-post-excerpt\"><p class=\"wp-block-post-excerpt__excerpt\">El pasado 19 de octubre, la comisi\u00f3n de Salud de Amics del Pa\u00eds invit\u00f3 al presidente del Colegio de M\u00e9dicos de Barcelona (COMB), Jaume Padr\u00f3s, y al catedr\u00e1tico de Econom\u00eda de la UPF, Guillem L\u00f3pez Casasnovas, a participar en el debate Amics del Pa\u00eds \u201cSistema sanitari en temps de crisi\u201d, donde analizaron los factores de&hellip; <\/p><\/div>                            <p><strong>Guillem L\u00f3pez Casasnovas<\/strong>, miembro de diferentes consejos asesores en el \u00e1mbito de la salud, tanto de la Generalitat de Catalunya como del Ministerio como tambi\u00e9n de la Organizaci\u00f3n Mundial de la Salud (OMS), inici\u00f3 su intervenci\u00f3n diferenciando los dos principales problemas del sistema de salud catal\u00e1n: <strong>el problema de la sostenibilidad financiera<\/strong>, por un lado, y el de la <strong>gobernanza<\/strong>, por otro.<\/p>  <h2><span style='color: #008000;'><strong>Guillem L\u00f3pez Casasnovas: &#8216;Si queremos gastar lo que nos corresponde por el nivel de PIB, debemos salir del sistema de financiaci\u00f3n auton\u00f3mica&#8217;<\/strong><\/span><\/h2>  <p>En cuanto al primero, \u201c<strong>el drama de la financiaci\u00f3n\u201d se debe al modelo de financiaci\u00f3n auton\u00f3mica<\/strong> que, en el mejor de los casos, es capitativo. Es decir, Catalunya tiene unas expectativas sanitarias en funci\u00f3n de su PIB pero, en cambio, su capacidad de respuesta es en funci\u00f3n de la poblaci\u00f3n. Seg\u00fan las aproximaciones hechas por L\u00f3pez Casasnovas, existe <strong>una insuficiencia de 5.000 millones de euros<\/strong>. Por tanto, \u201csi queremos gastar lo que nos corresponde por el nivel de PIB, debemos salir del sistema de financiaci\u00f3n auton\u00f3mica\u201d y a\u00f1adi\u00f3 que, si no lo hacemos, \u201cestamos abocados a una cierta dualidad sanitaria que es un peligro para la cohesi\u00f3n social\u201d.<\/p>   <p>En este sentido, &#8216;no debemos alarmarnos de tener un sistema privado tan desarrollado&#8217; ya que tiene la funci\u00f3n de corregir m\u00ednimamente esta &#8216;dislexia&#8217;. Adem\u00e1s, <strong>reivindic\u00f3 el mal llamado <em>copago<\/em><\/strong> y critic\u00f3 la aversi\u00f3n de la poblaci\u00f3n hacia este sistema de financiaci\u00f3n: \u201cnos hemos acostumbrado a que las aspiraciones colectivas de la sociedad deben resolverse en clave de ingresos p\u00fablicos, presupuestarios y a trav\u00e9s de impuestos\u201d, y a\u00f1adi\u00f3 que en la universidad se llaman tasas, \u201cingresos p\u00fablicos que nutren lo que no cubre el contribuyente para complementar la financiaci\u00f3n\u201d.<\/p>  <h2><span style='color: #008000;'><strong>Guillem L\u00f3pez Casasnovas: \u201cNecesitamos un sistema sanitario solvente, capaz de responder con resiliencia a los futuros retos demogr\u00e1ficos, tecnol\u00f3gicos y pand\u00e9micos\u201d<\/strong><\/span><strong><\/strong><\/h2>  <p>Por otra parte, el catedr\u00e1tico de la UPF resalt\u00f3 la necesidad de que <strong>el sistema sanitario sea \u201csolvente, capaz de responder sin improvisaci\u00f3n y con resiliencia a los futuros retos demogr\u00e1ficos, tecnol\u00f3gicos y pand\u00e9micos<\/strong>\u201d. \u201cNecesitamos un sistema musculado y flexible que, en un momento dado, sepa cerrar una cama de agudos y abrir una de semicr\u00f3nicos, tenga una relaci\u00f3n m\u00e1s fluida, m\u00e1s all\u00e1 de la segmentaci\u00f3n y las divisiones departamentales, entre el sistema sanitario y el sociosanitario\u201d. Y para que esto sea posible, &#8216;la pol\u00edtica sanitaria necesita un marco estable&#8217;.<\/p>   <p>En esta l\u00ednea, el presidente del COMB, el Dr. <strong>Jaume Padr\u00f3s<\/strong>, denunci\u00f3 que durante los \u00faltimos a\u00f1os &#8216;ha habido una disonancia de diagnosis del sistema de salud, yendo atr\u00e1s y volviendo a debates que parec\u00edan superados&#8217;. Y reclam\u00f3 <strong>volver al consenso<\/strong> que aprob\u00f3 la Ley de Ordenaci\u00f3n Sanitaria de Catalunya (1990) y que logr\u00f3 \u201cun sistema sanitario de \u00e9xito y rasgo identitario del pa\u00eds\u201d.<\/p>   <p><iframe title='YouTube video player' src='https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/8iMUlBPJXYg' frameborder='0' width='560' height='315'><\/iframe><\/p>  <h2><span style='color: #008000;'><strong>Jaume Padr\u00f3s: &#8216;Tenemos la hoja de ruta, pero necesitamos estabilidad, presupuestos trienales y planificaci\u00f3n desde los mandos de gesti\u00f3n&#8217;<\/strong><\/span><\/h2>  <p>La pandemia ha puesto en evidencia la poca musculaci\u00f3n de la sanidad en nuestro pa\u00eds y es por ello que, despu\u00e9s de la primera ola, el sector elabor\u00f3 un documento con 30 medidas para fortalecerlo. \u201cTenemos la hoja de ruta, pero necesitamos estabilidad, presupuestos trienales y planificaci\u00f3n desde los mandos de gesti\u00f3n\u201d, reivindic\u00f3 el Dr. Padr\u00f3s.<\/p>   <p>Adem\u00e1s, es necesario empoderar a los profesionales para disminuir la rigidez del sistema, defendi\u00f3 el presidente del COMB, resaltando <strong>la experiencia del Vall d&#8217;Hebron durante el estado de alarma<\/strong>, que \u201chizo saltar todos los anquilosamientos, colaborando entre los niveles asistenciales, profesionales y provocando din\u00e1micas positivas para aflorar lo mejor de nuestra profesi\u00f3n\u201d. Y a\u00f1adi\u00f3 que \u201ccuando ofreces al sistema la capacidad de empoderar a los profesionales y le das flexibilidad para adaptarse a los nuevos retos, esto tiene una fuerza extraordinaria\u201d.<\/p>   <p>El doctor denunci\u00f3 tambi\u00e9n <strong>el modelo de primaria<\/strong>, no homologable en Europa, donde los profesionales destinan <strong>m\u00e1s del 40% de su jornada en tareas administrativas y burocr\u00e1ticas<\/strong>. Por ejemplo, &#8216;las bajas de tres d\u00edas ocupan en el \u00e1rea del Baix Llobregat un mill\u00f3n de visitas al a\u00f1o, cuando en Inglaterra, Dinamarca, Suecia y Holanda son autorresponsables&#8217;, explic\u00f3.<\/p>  <h2><span style='color: #008000;'><strong>Jaume Padr\u00f3s: &#8216;Si no se toman decisiones pronto, el sistema sanitario est\u00e1 abocado al colapso&#8217;<\/strong><\/span><\/h2>  <p>Otros problemas mencionados por Jaume Padr\u00f3s son <strong>la cobertura asistencial, la falta de profesionales y la competencia ling\u00fc\u00edstica<\/strong>: &#8216;en 2021, el 49% de los colegiados eran extranjeros no comunitarios formados en sistemas de pregrado y posgrado no homologables en nuestro pa\u00eds&#8217; y denunci\u00f3 la falta de potestad del Colegio para evaluar la competencia, tal y como ocurre en el mundo anglosaj\u00f3n. Por tanto, &#8216;hay que replantear todo el sistema desde un punto de vista organizativo&#8217;, ya que &#8216;con la misma masa salarial, pero con otro modelo, ser\u00edamos m\u00e1s eficientes&#8217;.<\/p>   <p>En este sentido, el Dr. Padr\u00f3s afirm\u00f3 que &#8216;si no se toman decisiones muy pronto en el \u00e1mbito catal\u00e1n y espa\u00f1ol, <strong>en pocas semanas o meses, el sistema sanitario entrar\u00e1 en colapso<\/strong>; es decir, que no se podr\u00e1n atender necesidades perentorias&#8217;. Y a\u00f1adi\u00f3 que &#8216;no es un problema econ\u00f3mico, sino sociodemogr\u00e1fico&#8217;. Por eso reclam\u00f3 recuperar el <strong>consenso<\/strong> entre pol\u00edticos, gestores y profesionales sanitarios <strong>basado en el m\u00e1ximo empoderamiento de los profesionales de la salud, el rendimiento de cuentas y la evaluaci\u00f3n de resultados<\/strong>.<\/p>   <p><iframe title='YouTube video player' src='https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/nHRSvcEZLfA' frameborder='0' width='560' height='315'><\/iframe><\/p>   <p>En relaci\u00f3n al empoderamiento de los profesionales, Guillem L\u00f3pez Casasnovas alert\u00f3 de que la gobernanza del sistema p\u00fablico no pueden hacerla los m\u00e9dicos y a\u00f1adi\u00f3: \u201cveo mucha pancarta de gente que quiere decidir sin asumir ninguna responsabilidad, y eso no puede ser en un sistema p\u00fablico&#8217;.<\/p>  <h2><span style='color: #008000;'><strong>Poner tierra entre decisores y financiadores a trav\u00e9s de la creaci\u00f3n de instituciones<\/strong><\/span><strong><\/strong><\/h2>  <p>Por otra parte, tambi\u00e9n afirm\u00f3 que \u201cen un sistema sanitario como el nuestro, el consenso no est\u00e1 ni se le espera, y lo \u00fanico que puede abrir una brecha de acuerdos multipartidarios es la <strong>creaci\u00f3n de instituciones<\/strong>, un Hispan Nice (basado en el Nice ingl\u00e9s) que priorice y defina pol\u00edticas. &#8216;Si queremos evitar el colapso, necesitamos poner tierra entre decisores y financiadores&#8217;.<\/p>   <p>El sistema sanitario es un <strong>elemento cohesionador<\/strong> de la sociedad y al mismo tiempo un <strong>creador de riqueza<\/strong>, generador de conocimiento e innovaci\u00f3n que est\u00e1 en peligro, concluyeron los ponentes del debate. 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